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Poster: wineland Date: Nov 13, 2006 11:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

Deadbase lists the following shows at Barton Hall:
05-08-77 Barton Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y.
05-07-80 Barton Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y.
05-16-81 Barton Hall, Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y.

Perhaps they were scheduled to play but cancelled???

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 13, 2006 11:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

Yeah, I checked 4/9 and 9/4 from 1970-1989 and found no matches. IF that poster is for a cancelled show it's probably pretty valuable.

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Poster: wineland Date: Nov 13, 2006 11:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

Good point. Could be the next Inverted Jenny. I was listening to NPR this weekend and they were reporting on an absentee ballot that was sent in. It had an Inverted Jenny stamp on it. The 1918 stamp last sold at auction for $550K and the last book of 4 was sold for $2.9M. Check it out here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061110/ts_nm/life_stamp_dc

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Poster: Timmy Dough Date: Nov 13, 2006 12:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

why would it be more valuable if it were from a cancelled show?

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 13, 2006 12:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

Likely all other copies were trashed. Nobody went, so no reason to hang on to a poster...Rarity...

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Poster: wagglebee Date: Nov 13, 2006 11:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

In all likelihood, May 8, 1977 is just a VERY ELABORATE HOAX and what everyone has is just a mixed tape.

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Nov 13, 2006 11:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

always wonder how that rumor got started,had an old boss that had his ticket stub framed from 5-8-77 and some photos of the show,he looked at me crazy when i told him about how some people said they nevered played that show.

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Poster: wagglebee Date: Nov 13, 2006 12:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

If you google fake Grateful Dead show, you will come up with a lot of information. Including the shows from where all of the songs came from. You will also notice that there were some songs on 5/8/77 that were also played on either the 7th or the 9th and that almost NEVER HAPPENED.

Plus there is the whole snow on the ground when they came outside, even though everyone "remembers" being in shorts that afternoon. There are no archived newspaper reviews of the show. And the band members and Dick L. have always made very elusive comments when asked about it.

Don't get me wrong, it's a damn good show even if it didn't happen (but I still think the night before was a much better sho).

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Poster: Timmy Dough Date: Nov 13, 2006 12:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: May 77 Barton Hall show

I actually now work in alumni affairs and development for Cornell. My boss graduated in '77 and they have their reunion coming up in May. I think I can put this question to rest, though it may take me until may. Let's get all the info out so I can investigate. I can tell you for sure it wasn't snowing in May in Ithaca. That's ridiculous.

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Poster: sparky999255 Date: Nov 13, 2006 6:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: May 77 Barton Hall show

I have lived in and around the Ithaca area off and on for a number of years. I can say for sure that I have seen it snow in May. As a matter of fact I remember heading to class on May 8th, 1991 and it was snowing. I remember it clearly because that's the day I decided to transfer out west. Ended up in Flagstaff, but that's a story for another day. Also, it is not that unusual to have days where you're in shorts(50 degrees is short's weather here) and have it start snowing that night.

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Poster: Timmy Dough Date: Nov 13, 2006 12:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

OK, I checked with someone who graduated in May of 77 and she says she remembers that they played but didn't actually go to the show. However, and this is weird, she DOES REMEMBER FOR SURE THAT THERE WAS A FREAK SNOWSTORM IN EARLY MAY 77.

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Poster: wagglebee Date: Nov 13, 2006 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

I'm not saying it didn't happen, but Google it and you would be surprised. Since you are actually at Cornell, you could also see if there are old student newspapers archived from May of 77 and see if they mention the show or a freak snowstorm.

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 13, 2006 1:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

Looking at Deadbase, it was an odd tour.

After 3 nights at the Capital in Passaic and 5 nights at the Palladium in NY, they play 7 shows at 7 different venues in 8 nights. Tough on the roadies, eh?

Easy to see why memory is clouded. Not like trying to recall a 3,4 or 5 night run...

During 5/77, Brokedown, Jack Straw, Mexicali and China Doll all came back for the 1st time since '74. Dire Wolf, Black Peter, Casey Jones, China->Rider and Nobody's Fault also absent since '74 re-appear in the fall/winter. What a year for performance quality and break-outs...

Hard to believe the great year of '76 has 0 of these tunes.

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Poster: Lewis/Klitschko Date: Nov 15, 2006 8:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

Yes, but '76 had monumental setlists of its own, and strengths '77 didn't have. Lots of "Let it Grows" and "Help>Slip>Franks" and "Crazy Fingers."

'77 was supercharged, no doubt, but '76 was perhaps more exotic.

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Poster: Timmy Dough Date: Nov 13, 2006 1:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

yes, I will check the archive of the student paper - I'll let you know. It might not be for a couple of weeks...

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 13, 2006 1:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

look what I found here >> http://www.intellicast.com/Almanac/Northeast/May/
Does this include Ithaca?


May 10, 1977 -

an unprecedented spring snowstorm, spawned by a huge 5 contour 500 mb cutoff low, hit southern New England and southeastern New York. This storm, which began on the 9th, was an elevation storm. 20 inches of snow fell at Norfolk, Connecticut (elevation 1337 feet) while downtown Hartford received only 1.2 inches. The highest total occurred at slide mountain, New York (elevation 2600 feet) with 26 inches falling. Extensive damage to trees and powerlines occurred with 500,000 people without power following the storm. This was the first may snow in 107 years of records at Boston, Massachusetts although only 1/2 inch fell there. However, in the nearby suburb of Bedford, 9.5 inches fell. Of particular interest is the fact that Concord, New Hampshire received all rain from the storm, demonstrating latitude further north played no role in this snowstorm

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Poster: wagglebee Date: Nov 13, 2006 1:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Barton Hall - September 4th Show?????

It sounds like the storm STARTED on the 9th, but that the bulk of the storm was on the 10th -- this would indicate that the storm started on the night of the 9th. The Barton Hall show would have been letting out early in the morning of the 9th.

I would still like see something published from May of 77 that talks about the show.